There Is No Sweetness in Hyperbole
Condoleeza Rice’s mother was a pianist thinking of the musical direction con dolcezza, with sweetness, when she named her only daughter. I am willing to endure an onslaught of hyperbole and idle speculation to say that I like this sweet girl. What objective, critical thinker would not like her? She was born in Birmingham, Alabama to a family of educators who refused to knuckle under to Jim Crow. The Rice family subsequently moved to Tuscaloosa, Alabama so that father John could become the Dean of Stillman College.
Condi’s educator parents did not allow her to sit on her hands. She was encouraged to take lessons in skating, piano, ballet, French and other interests. Along the way she skipped first and seventh grade. The hyperbolistas question why Ms. Rice attended the University of Denver. Perhaps it was because when she was thirteen her father became a vice chancellor of the University of Denver. She was only fifteen when she entered the University of Denver to pursue a degree in piano.
She realized that she would never make it as a professional concert pianist so she started to explore other academic possibilities. She found her life’s work when she met Josef Korbel, a former Czech diplomat, who was the head of the University of Denver’s School of International Relations. Does the name Korbel sound familiar? Josef Korbel, refugee from Naziism and Communism was the father of Madelaine Albright.
Receiving her degree at the tender age of nineteen, she left home for Notre Dame where she received a Master of Arts degree in Political Science. She came home to the University of Denver to take her Ph.D. Her father had also received an advanced degree from the University of Denver.
Condoleeza became a Stanford assistant professor at 26 years of age. Stanford became her launch pad for her meteoric career in government service. She was an advisor to the George H.W. Bush administration on foreign policy and military issues. She returned to Stanford in 1991 and in 1993, became Provost. As Stanford Provost she was the number two official of the University responsible for a 1.5 million dollar budget and academic programs (1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students). Rice left the university in 1999 to become an advisor to the Bush Presidential campaign.
Condoleeza Rice most certainly does have the qualifications to be the President of the United States. She comes from a humble middle to upper middle class family. Father John is an ordained Presbyterian Minister. Rice has been quoted as saying, "I have a very, very powerful faith in God. I'm a really religious person, and I don't believe that I was put on this earth to be sour, so I'm eternally optimistic about things."
She obviously has expertise in foreign policy. The looking down the nose sniffing of the hyperbolistas that she is lacking in domestic policy skills is nonsense. She was the number two executive of a large institution. She managed a $1.5 billion budget. Stanford’s problems are America’s problems. Any similar large institution is certainly a microcosm of the country at large. It’s all a matter of scale, baby.
She is nothing if not a well rounded individual. Her celebrated love of sports, studied ballet as a girl, a capable pianist, and a teacher. She is also a concerned citizen of her community cofounding the Center for a New Generation, an after-school academy in East Palo Alto, California.
Big Bubba would be remiss if he didn’t indulge those who are driven to distraction by their race, your race and everybody else’s race,
"Not least, she is refreshingly, strikingly, at ease on the matter of race. For years she has faced questions about her skin color and sex: Have they been advantages, responsible for her rapid rise? Disadvantages? "I don't spend too much time thinking about it," she says. "I can't go back and recreate myself as a white male" to test this proposition or that. She has enjoyed "a wonderful life, a great life," graced by ideal parents, and "I have a very, very powerful faith in God. I'm a really religious person, and I don't believe that I was put on this earth to be sour, so I'm eternally optimistic about things." She is loath "to criticize any black person for how he or she has wanted to navigate being black in America, whether it's Clarence Thomas or Maxine Waters." She does allow, however, that she wishes the "black middle class would spend less time thinking about itself and more time worrying about the witches' brew that is poverty and race. That is something that those of us who are black and privileged have a lot of responsibility for." (Star-in-Waiting)
Other sources that I looked at,
Condi’s Official Government Bio
Condi’s Official Stanford Bio
Big Bubba Full Disclosure: I have been seen in public with black women. Twice this week.
Condi’s educator parents did not allow her to sit on her hands. She was encouraged to take lessons in skating, piano, ballet, French and other interests. Along the way she skipped first and seventh grade. The hyperbolistas question why Ms. Rice attended the University of Denver. Perhaps it was because when she was thirteen her father became a vice chancellor of the University of Denver. She was only fifteen when she entered the University of Denver to pursue a degree in piano.
She realized that she would never make it as a professional concert pianist so she started to explore other academic possibilities. She found her life’s work when she met Josef Korbel, a former Czech diplomat, who was the head of the University of Denver’s School of International Relations. Does the name Korbel sound familiar? Josef Korbel, refugee from Naziism and Communism was the father of Madelaine Albright.
Receiving her degree at the tender age of nineteen, she left home for Notre Dame where she received a Master of Arts degree in Political Science. She came home to the University of Denver to take her Ph.D. Her father had also received an advanced degree from the University of Denver.
Condoleeza became a Stanford assistant professor at 26 years of age. Stanford became her launch pad for her meteoric career in government service. She was an advisor to the George H.W. Bush administration on foreign policy and military issues. She returned to Stanford in 1991 and in 1993, became Provost. As Stanford Provost she was the number two official of the University responsible for a 1.5 million dollar budget and academic programs (1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students). Rice left the university in 1999 to become an advisor to the Bush Presidential campaign.
Condoleeza Rice most certainly does have the qualifications to be the President of the United States. She comes from a humble middle to upper middle class family. Father John is an ordained Presbyterian Minister. Rice has been quoted as saying, "I have a very, very powerful faith in God. I'm a really religious person, and I don't believe that I was put on this earth to be sour, so I'm eternally optimistic about things."
She obviously has expertise in foreign policy. The looking down the nose sniffing of the hyperbolistas that she is lacking in domestic policy skills is nonsense. She was the number two executive of a large institution. She managed a $1.5 billion budget. Stanford’s problems are America’s problems. Any similar large institution is certainly a microcosm of the country at large. It’s all a matter of scale, baby.
She is nothing if not a well rounded individual. Her celebrated love of sports, studied ballet as a girl, a capable pianist, and a teacher. She is also a concerned citizen of her community cofounding the Center for a New Generation, an after-school academy in East Palo Alto, California.
Big Bubba would be remiss if he didn’t indulge those who are driven to distraction by their race, your race and everybody else’s race,
"Not least, she is refreshingly, strikingly, at ease on the matter of race. For years she has faced questions about her skin color and sex: Have they been advantages, responsible for her rapid rise? Disadvantages? "I don't spend too much time thinking about it," she says. "I can't go back and recreate myself as a white male" to test this proposition or that. She has enjoyed "a wonderful life, a great life," graced by ideal parents, and "I have a very, very powerful faith in God. I'm a really religious person, and I don't believe that I was put on this earth to be sour, so I'm eternally optimistic about things." She is loath "to criticize any black person for how he or she has wanted to navigate being black in America, whether it's Clarence Thomas or Maxine Waters." She does allow, however, that she wishes the "black middle class would spend less time thinking about itself and more time worrying about the witches' brew that is poverty and race. That is something that those of us who are black and privileged have a lot of responsibility for." (Star-in-Waiting)
Other sources that I looked at,
Condi’s Official Government Bio
Condi’s Official Stanford Bio
Big Bubba Full Disclosure: I have been seen in public with black women. Twice this week.
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Striving for excellence is a noble condition. People do not understand that Dr Rice is not a Black political figure but an American political figure.
We have half of FPM here now.
I do hope she runs for president. I see her as the best possible canidate.
I have no specific opinion about Rice for President. My opinion, for the moment, is about the hyperbolistas premise that she is so totally unqualified as to be a joke.
Think (think) about all the questions raised about potential Presidential candidates - family, education, experience, knowledge, personal life, etc. She is as well qualified as the next person, in Big Bubba's humble opinion.
Does anyone remember questions about Condi and drugs. Are you kidding. My bet is that aspirin is the nearest thing to a drug the Rice family ever experienced.
Does anyone know where Familia Rice summers? Cape Cod? Kennebunkport? Do we really care? My point? The Familia Rice is just about as average American middle class as you can get.
Today I don't know who I would like to see go against the Ice Queen. McCain is certainly out. Despite my personal affection for Condoleeza I have to consider if she can win in 2008. Condoleeza took pains to correct a slightly ambiguous statement that she thought could be taken to mean that she was a Kissingerian Realpolitiker. She clearly clarified that she considered herself a realist. You go girl! Big Bubba is a realist too!
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Always with the putting down the schools Mr. Ducky. Why? What’s your point? Cooper Union students never had a party? I noticed that this years U.S. News rankings report (Top 100 National schools) didn’t even include Cooper Union while the University of Denver ranked 93 amongst the national schools. The University of Denver has the only International Studies program between the Mississippi and Pacific. I would say that they have to be the “best in the west.”
I would confess to a casual interest as to whether Dr. Rice ever benefitted from an affirmative action program. We must keep in mind that in some instances participation is not a choice. Dr. Rice didn’t write the affirmative action laws.
Personally I love her famous quote, “The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly Saddam can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.” Can you find a fault of logic or reason in her premise?
Welcome, Osher Doctorow, we are glad to see you here. Also, such timely information on thought screening helmets as response to the Duck's tin foil helmet concerns. I am sure you impressed him.
Mr. Ducky, Thanks for dropping Andre Watts name. Very interesting career. Ms. Rice’s bio said that she realized that her talent did not rise to the level of an Andre Watts so she changed her studies to International Affairs. I am not going to argue with you since you seem to have been traumatized by a black woman at some point in your life. I am seeing your last job as a boa for a black stripper who abused you. Am I close?
During the Viet Nam War one of my trainees told me that he had studied music and had received a Masters from, I think, an Arizona school. He said that he wanted to be a concert pianist, but, his girlfriend had dumped him. His remorse led him to the Army where he volunteered to be a cook. I am a nosey individual so I told him to get me one of his audition tapes. I listened and was stunned at what I heard. The next day I grabbed that private and told him, “fool, don’t you know you could burn your hands with hot grease or cut off a finger with a meat cleaver. What the h..........were you thinking?” I told him that with his talent he could end up with the Army Band in the Military District of Washington playing for the President’s dinner parties.
I visited the band at Ft. Ord and had them listen to the tape. They auditioned him and that was that. No more visions of the mess hall. He left me for Army musical training. Since military marching bands don’t normally march with a piano I imagine he did make it to Washington, or some other high level band. I wonder what happened to the lad?
Dr. Rice's "affirmative action ass"? I'm speechless.
I don't know if Dr. Rice would be a good President, but she could hardly do worse than some others who have held the office.
There is No Sweetness in Hyberbolus either...
Aristophanes "Peace"...
TRYGAEUS: It's Hyperbolus who now holds empire on the Pnyx. (To PEACE) What now? you turn away your head!
HERMES: She is vexed, that the people should give themselves a wretch of that kind for their chief.
TRYGAEUS: Oh! we shall not employ him again; but the people, seeing themselves without a leader, took him haphazard, just as a man, who is naked, springs upon the first cloak he sees.
HERMES: She asks, what will be the result of such a choice by the city?
TRYGAEUS: We shall be more far-seeing in consequence.
HERMES: And why?
TRYGAEUS: Because he is a lamp-maker. Formerly we only directed our busines by groping in the dark; now we shall only deliberate by lamplight.
______________________
Hyperbolus eventually earned the distinction of being the first "commoner" ostracized from Athens, and also as the "last" man ever ostracized from Athens. He was eventually assassinated by the oligarchs.
I guess the problem I have with Dr. Rice is that she, like Cleon (the tanner) and Hyperbolas (the lampmaker), are not from old-line founding families. Guess I prefer people who get "bred" for the job...I'm a sucker for "aristocrats"... they have so much to lose if they mess up... although if they align themselves with the "demos", watch out. That's how you end up with an "Alcibiades".
-FJ
Mr. Ducky,
Okay, you've decided that Dr. Rice has achieved nothing. To which American political figures, since 1960, do you point as having achieved something worthy of your respect? I'm interested in knowing just a few names of those whom you respect for their achievements.
mr ducky,
Not to throw cold water on your bubble, but if the Cuban Missile Crisis signaled the end of the Cold War, what was Vietnam all about? Kennedy and Kruschev must not have gotten the message... followed by Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Carter, and the entire Russian line of leaders.
And of your list of “great achievers”, the only one whom I would care to ever have lunch with is Daniel Moynihan, and then only to chastise him for his failure to realize that problems enumerated in Stanley Elkins book “Slavery”, on which Moynihan spent his entire career trying to remediate, could have just as easily been applied to the sons and daughters of every worker in America, not just the black descendents of slaves. The result of this mistake was that half of Moynihan’s career was mis-directed and ill applied.
-FJ
"The single most exciting thing you encounter in government is competence, because it's so rare." --Daniel Moynihan
A word of wisdom for the "get government to do it" folks.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
He inherited a lot of "interventionist problems"?? First he authorizes the invasion of a country that hadn't "attacked us first"...and then "failed to support the troops". Sounds like he had a bad case of the "democrat's disease".
Then, after failing to do what was "necessary" to defeat Castro, he is forced into imposing a naval blockade which risks an all out nuclear exchange with the USSR in a showdown over deployed missiles in a banana republic in America's backyard that had he stuck to his guns initially, never would have been there.
His authorization of miltary advisors to help Vietnam simply demonstrate that Kennedy had the capacity to "learn". I guess that all it takes it "one mugging" to change a liberal into a conservative.
Those "interventionist problems" that Kennedy inherited were a belligerant USSR looking to gobble up every third world nation in sight. THAT wasn't a gift from Ike, THAT was the "Cold War" Kennedy supposedly won.
-FJ
Mr. Ducky, Now to whom do you think I was referring to when I mentioned hyperbolistas? Why the Duck, of course. Don’t ever move beyond your hyperbole, Mr. Ducky. That and your charming language are what makes your posts most fascinating. Please don’t ever endanger my bones by causing me to fall out of my chair because you actually cite something that remotely substantiates your opinions. Like how about those wild and crazy Hoover Institution Fellows. Do you believe in the principle that you will be known by the company that you keep? Further down on the same page we find that Condoleezza Rice is an elected member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Do you believe that because she was a slacker is the reason she was elected? Do you believe that because she was a slacker she was a member of Phi Beta Kappa?
Ducky, you are a grenade thrower who fails to properly cite your premises. Just because you say the moon is blue cheese doesn’t mean Big Bubba is going to go look for his crackers.
Mr. Ducky,
Thank you for providing the list I requested. Your list--and your use of language, for that matter--provide insights as to your perspective.
Dr. Rice may have ignored some 9/11 intelligence, but so did many others, in the Bush administration and in previous administrations. 20/20 hindsight, to use a cliche. Therein lies the value of knowing history.
You mentioned that certain adminstrations inherited the mistakes of previous administrations. Well, that's always the way, isn't it?
As to Dr. Rice's term as Secretary of State, I think it's too early to decide about her diplomatic achievements, if any.
mr. ducky,
Ike was one of the most "interventionist" presidents the US has ever seen because he manned the helm during the most dangerous periods in American history, and successfully implemented and exercised the US Cold War strategy known as "containment" (developed by George Kennan, aka "X"). In every country where the USSR made a move, we applied counter-force. Had we not, 3/4 of the world would be speaking Russian today and the ruble, not the dollar, would be the world's "currency" of choice.
And let's revisit the Bay of Pigs. The CIA arms and delivers 1,500 Cuban nationals and quietly waits for the results. The invasion meets heavy resistance and is defeated. Imagine if they had been backed up with a MAB or two supported by a few CBG's. We'd all be smokin' cheap Cuban cigars, till we coughed up bloodclots.
Just one question my water repellant friend, do you even remember the Cold War, or were you still followin' those white swans around at the time?
-FJ
BB,
I'll tell you what, if Condi ever gets into the APS, I promise, I'll vote for her...
American Philosophical Society
(You should check out the "early members"...they read like a who's who of the American/French Revolutions and the Enlightenment)
-FJ
I know that the following excerpt from the Washington Post is from an editorial, but it's interesting, nonetheless.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/21/AR2005062101364_pf.html :
"Speeches don't change the world, but they sometimes put down markers for policymakers and help ordinary folks understand what's going on. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's speech in Cairo this week about Middle East democracy struck me as one of those important yardsticks. The initial take on Rice's speech focused on her evaluation of the democratic progress of other nations -- of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, specifically. She pressed those countries to reform their political systems, while noting that local reformers must lead and define the agenda and set the pace of change. Amen. But an overlooked aspect of Rice's speech was that it established guideposts by which to measure the policy of the United States. She enunciated a pro-democracy position so forcefully that if the Bush administration deviates from it, or undermines its credibility through belligerent, anti-democratic actions, it will be open to the charge of hypocrisy. The signature lines in the speech were: 'For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region here in the Middle East, and we achieved neither. Now we are taking a different course.' That was the clearest enunciation yet of a policy that has been evolving since Sept. 11, 2001....[I]f the administration can be consistent in applying its ideals, and follow the markers Rice laid down, perhaps America can begin to find its way out of the dangerous thicket into which it has wandered since Sept. 11, 2001."
Always,
Who was it that once said "be careful what you wish for, for you just might get it"?
Now if I were a "one worlder" I might think that America's new policy was simply "peachy". But being as how I'm not...
Modern liberal thinkers would have you believe that democratic peoples are "peaceful" peoples. Let me assure you that this is NOT always the case. It is generally true at present due to the great acculumated WEALTH of the west.
However, in poor countries, the "demos" are more likely to behave as the Athenians did in Siciliy and the Peloponnese... fight endless wars brought to a conclusion only by the imposition of "aristocracy/ oligarchy"... or as the Romans did in their expansive years leading up to their greatest general and conqueror of nations, Julius Caesar and his "empire" (and as the empire decayed, it also "shrank")
Machiavelli's wars of the Florentine and Venetian Republics also offer some insight into the true nature of democracies. Niccolo emphasizes the dangers of unbridled democracies in his "Discourses on Titus Livy".
And so I caution people NOT to push a pro-democracy policy too hard, or to look upon it as a panacea for the world's political ills...
I like a world where America is king... and I'm not sure we should be trying to create "competitors".
-FJ
FJ,
I,too, am not a one-worlder. Furthermore, I agree with you that democracy is not a "panacea for the world's political ills." Isn't that why our Founding Fathers created a republic? As I recall, U.S. Senators used to be appointed by state legislatures. The Founding Fathers didn't trust the common people to elect representatives who would serve six years; plus, of course, states themselves would keep more power and could regulate their voting public, which was, in the early days, restricted to property owners. All this rambling to say that oligarchy has its strong points. You cited lots of ancient history, and I submit to you that the Founding Fathers knew those same facts.
And you are absolutely correct that democracies are not always peaceful. Over at my blog, I just posted a commentary on the Iran elections. Some form of democracy that is!
BTW, I put up that excerpt to see what Mr. Ducky might say. He seems to think that Dr. Rice is a loser. I'm not convinced of that.
always,
Dr. Rice does seem to have all the elements necessary to be a viable candidate in a democratic election. Whereas I personally do not find her an attractive candidate, I'm sure the actual majority of the people who vote, would. Perhaps this is main reason why the left has been so persistent in demonizing her.
-FJ
FJ,
The left's demonization of Dr. Rice has a hollow ring. Do I detect an underlying tone of desperation in their criticism?
Chit-chat at the various social events I attend seems to indicate mixed feelings about her viability as a candidate for President. A lot will depend on the Democratic candidate. Many votes make their choice on the basis of voting against a candidate (as opposed to voting for a candidate).
I do hear a distinct 'B flat' underlying the mr. ducky's rhetoric (the ugliest woman in Christendom???).
So mr. ducky, you believe that the solution to the ME problem lies in the establishment of "Open Societies"? If the idea of a rootless proletariate aimlesslessly drifting from job to job accross national borders is your idea of heaven, then I guess an Open Society should be just the ticket. Perhaps we should get George Soros to open up an Institute in Bagdad dedicated to transforming Imam's into "shop stewards".
All I can say is, you must REALLY hate humanity.
-FJ
As for the lawsuits referenced, Americans seem very much like ancient Athenians, as this (yet another) excerpt from Aristophanes comedy "Peace" indicates...
To set the scene, the men of Athens are attempting to rescue with ropes the goddess Peace from a pit Ares, god of war has thrown her into (the 12th year of the Peloponnesian War)...
HERMES
Come, put your strength into it.
TRYGAEUS
Heave away, heave!
CHORUS
There are many ill-disposed folk among us.
TRYGAEUS
Do you at least, who long for peace, pull heartily.
CHORUS
But there are some who prevent us.
HERMES
Off to the Devil with you, Megarians! The goddess hates you. She recollects that you were the first to rub her the wrong way. Athenians, you are not well placed for pulling. There you are too busy with law-suits; if you really want to free the goddess, get down a little towards the sea.
LEADER OF THE CHORUS
Come, friends, none but husbandmen on the rope.
___________
Notice the admonition to the Athenians... to "get down a little towards the sea"... where her "fleet" lies. Sound advice mr. ducky
-FJ
Farmer John, On an interesting side note Stanford community member, Thomas Sowell, is a member of the American Philosophical Society. Condoleezza Rice, while not yet a member of the American Philosophical Society, as the Stanford Provost manages the academic programs, and budgets, of the following note worthies, including forty two members of the American Philosophical Society. Rice leads so much stellar talent how could she be a slacker without the academic types at Stanford crying the blues about her lack of intellect?
Stanford's current community of scholars includes:
• 16 Nobel laureates
• 4 Pulitzer Prize winners
• 22 MacArthur Fellows
• 21 recipients of the National Medal of Science
• 3 National Medal of Technology recipients
• 223 members of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences
• 132 members of the National Academy of Sciences
• 80 National Academy of Engineering members
• 23 members of the National Academy of Education
• 42 American Philosophical Society members
• 6 Wolf Foundation Prize winners
• 7 winners of the Koret Foundation Prize
• 3 Presidential Medal of Freedom winners
Stanford Facts 2005
Keep in mind, folks, of the repetitive nature of our arguments. We have had it in the past at FPM and so it continues. I have previously posted, and provided the link, for Stanford Facts at FPM. To what level would this whole discussion rise if the Duck decided to start documenting his grenade tosses?
mr ducky
You make a good point about the subsidized nature of the railroads.
Perhaps we should thank G_d for creating the land on which the railroads were built and for the fertility he gave the railway worker's mother, for if there were any subsidies, it was He who originally provided them.
The US government went to very little expense or effort to "grant" the subsidies referred to. Whatever subsidies there were did NOT come from the pockets of the American payer of "income taxes" or man on the street.
Early corporate America was meerly subsidizing itself by distributing the natural richness of a sparsely populated nation... who then passed along this generous subsidy to every settler who used the railroad to ship goods and every man, woman, and child who subsequently used its' transportation or who had settled in towns all along the tracks.
In other words, the subsidy was a temporary one, which was quickly re-paid with interest.
In the "modern" era, wage laborers are subsidizing railroad executives... in a kind of role "reversal" which allows Walmart to deliver Chinese goods to Americans, cheaper than they can make them locally themselves.
Yes, things have changed considerably. Perhaps it is time to re-think them.
-FJ
neptune...
Some how I can imagine Condi being there on that immortal day in 1588 on Plymouth Hoe... or in Boston a hundred years later...
Boston Bowles
Perhaps she could even sign the call book in Middle Temple Hall if she ever dreamed of becoming a pirate... her career possibilities seem limitless.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
I understand that Chief Judge Thomas F. Hogan is an active member of the "American" Inns at Court. I wonder how that will influence his decisions in the Gitmo case.
I'm a little more familiar with that organization's British counterpart...
Middle Temple Hall, Inns @ Court
neptunes bowler comment somehow ties the two together...
-FJ
Exodus 20 17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
That's oh so rich, Duck. So, this passage makes women property? I suppose your creative interpretations would lead you to believe that "nor his ass," was an example of Biblical homophobia?
That is an absolute no brainer - Sir Francis Drake on Plymouth Hoe when told that the Spanish Armada had been sighted.
Farmer John, Big Bubba's ancestors may have been participating in bowls in Boston. Two of my great grandfathers signed the charter of Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company of Massachusetts. Ironic isn't it? The Duck always claims Big Bubba is a fly over country hayseed yet......... Coincidentally, in terms of the current discussion, one of my English noble ancestors was given permission by the King to raid Spanish commerce. Some people would call it piracy.
I have to go water my roses now with a big smile on my face. The Stanford Provost is a mere paper shuffler and the American Philosophical Society is a hack society? Smile, smile. I'll be back in an hour, Duck, how about some more zingers.
I have a Freudian suspicion that the Duck's frustrations and bitterness are deeply rooted in a sexual fantasy involving Condoleezza Rice and Ann Coulter.
Translations all look the same to me, Duck.
Exodus 20:17 (King James Version) 17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Exodus 20:17 (American Standard Version) 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.
Exodus 20:17 (Amplified Bible) 17You shall not covet your neighbor's house, your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.(
Exodus 20:17 (Young's Literal Translation) 17`Thou dost not desire the house of thy neighbour, thou dost not desire the wife of thy neighbour, or his man-servant, or his handmaid, or his ox, or his ass, or anything which [is] thy neighbour's.'
Exodus 20:17 (Darby Translation) 17Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's wife, nor his bondman, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbour's.
Éxodo 20:17 (Nueva Versión Internacional) 17 »No codicies la casa de tu prójimo: No codicies su esposa, ni su esclavo, ni su esclava, ni su buey, ni su burro, ni nada que le pertenezca.»
2 Mose 20:17 (Luther Bibel 1545) 17Laß dich nicht gelüsten deines Nächsten Hauses. Laß dich nicht gelüsten deines Nächsten Weibes, noch seines Knechtes noch seiner Magd, noch seines Ochsen noch seines Esels, noch alles, was dein Nächster hat.
mr ducky… Eight Congressional Medal of Honor winners and four US Presidents were members of the Ancient and Honorables
Ancient & Honorable
The Ancient and Honorables modeled themselves after the Honorable Artillery Company of London
AC of London
Take a close look at Coat of Arms. See if you can’t see any similarities to the symbols on the Massachusetts State Flag
Mass Flag
…or the Coat of Arms of loyalist Sir William Johnson…
Coat of Arms
Benjamin Franklin’s brother drilled with the Ancient and Honorables. Visiting him one summer, old Ben got the idea to establish a militia in Pennsylvania and buy some cannons, on which inscribed on one were the words "Kawania che Keekeru" (This is my right, I will defend it). By many writers this motto is ascribed to Tamanend for this was also the motto of the Saint Tammany Society, the same Indian sachem who deeded the original land to William Penn and who granted fishing rights to the local Schuylkill Fishing Company.
And we all know old Ben. Ben didn’t write any Philosophy papers either, but he founded the American Philosophical Society and invented the theory, and theoretical “proof” for electricity. Are they related?
mr. ducky,
Do you recognize the "circularity" of this conversation? Leeland Stanford was one of the "big four" who built the transcontinental railroad and then founded Stanford University. He was one of those "wicked oligarch's" you love to denounce.
Stanford U. is a nest chock full of those wicked "Republicans", and home to the evil Hoover Institute... and not too far away from both is the infamous Bohemian Club/ Grove, of which every Republican President since 1923 has been a member.
Stanford's family originally comes from Albany... home of Ben Franklin's original 1754 "Albany Plan"... also home (near) of the Iroquois Confederacy.
Have you ever seen the Iroquois Constitution? Have you ever wondered about what it takes to become an American president? Ever wonder why "indians" needed a constitution? Ever wonder how the Iroquois subdued all the tribes east of the Mississippi? I'll give you a clue. Albany.
Iroquois Constitution
Condi Rice is still a "fellow" at Hoover. She funded the programs at "Republican U". She is now Secretary of State. Is that the "fast track" for the presidency? She's certainly got all the right "connections".
I hear that skull and bones has Geronimo's skull in their "crypt" at Yale. Speaking of Yale, what was the symbol on the shield of Sir William's Coat of Arms? And antlers, I hear that "Deer Island" on the St. Lawrence used to have tons of them. How many presidential candidates were S&B members? And Nathan Hale, don't even get me started on where his statues are located....
Gee, I wonder what tribe Chelsea Clinton belongs to... after all, didn't she go to Stanford too?
;-)
-FJ
PS - I'll remove the tinfoil hat now.
Well, not quite yet...
Remember that great tree of peace from the Iroquois Constitution?
Maine Flag
or the Globe thistle down "under" it? Kinda looks like a "dollar bill".
In fact, that "thistle down" gets around to a lot of state flags. So does the "great tree".
One day, you should go on a tour of Philadelphia...
Temple
I like the Ben Franklin Room best.
But of course, one could also see thistles and squares at Philadelphia's Carpenter's Hall, where the 1st Continental Congress met...(upper right)
Carpenters Hall
I hear St. Andrews is chock FULL of thistles.
Well, that about wraps up my tinfoil lesson of the day.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Your "open society" sounds like a libertarian's idea of heaven. Everyone is free to do whatever they like, urinate in public, defactate on television, basically live the life of Diogenes the Cynic, the only man in the world whom Alexander the Great would choose to be, had he NOT been born Alexander.
And few people, besides Alexander, who actually saw the way Diogenes lived, thought his libertine "lifestyle" was much worth living. But then, life has no meaning for some, does it? It's just a fools errand, all that marrying, raising kids, creating works of art. All just so much "vanitas".
That some people might prefer to live in an "ordered" society, working in common towards shared goals like improving things for their families and children, accumulating property and wealth, and sharing their personal values with familiy and friends in peace, this must be prevented, so that Diogenes can lie naked in front of the family home's picture windows, masturbating "for the children", to teach them the unlimited extent of their individual freedoms.
Such is the vision of the "open" society, or shall I call it what it really is, the "one-value" society. Nothing is to be more worthy or valuable than the freedom of the individual to do as he pleases, therefore no group or societal efforts can be collectively undertaken that will not be interfered with, or be contemptuously derided by, every passing ignoramous.
Like Tantalus you reach high for the apple of individual freedom in the open society, but then afterwards, when you go to enjoy a refreshing drink, you discover that the water recedes lower and lower... as low as the societal standards you are now able to set for collective freedom.
And so finally, mr. ducky, as for Ancient and Honorables not having done much "lately", you do realize that they are specialists in the hardest and most ruthless kinds of "close fighting". Nine out of ten have the proven ability and intelligence to distinguish and choose to represent the "right" side. Your hero, JFK, was one of them... eventually.
and BB,
Although your ancestors may have been honest pirates, the real deal are those Middle Templars who signed the call book on the table made from the hatch cover of the "Golden Hind". Seems all members of the "legal" profession long to be members of Sir Francis' crew, and so "sign articles for the duration of the voyage" in the call book. In so doing, they almost instantly become "nobles".
William Franklin was one. As a result, he married above his station and was made Governor of New Jersey. He also sided with King George, and was thereafter forever lost to his father.
John Dickinson, of Farmer's Letters fame was also a MTH graduate. He was the only member of the Continental Congress NOT to sign the Declaration of Independence. But he eventually made up for it.
-FJ
Trivia on the Office of Secretary of State...
At least six U.S. Presidents once occupied the office of Secretary of State.
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
Martin van Buren
James Buchanan
Secretary of State used to be a stepping stoine on the career path to the presidency. But modern presidents are more likely to have been state governors.
-FJ
Big Bubba has been all over Boston with his grandfather. I have the pictures from the 1940s to prove it. I didn't realize it at the time, but there was a purpose to the grand tour. We were living in Virginia and my grandmother, grandfather and great aunt came up from Houston and took me to every major War Between the States battleground. They wanted to see where my great grandfather fought during the war. One morning only my great grandfather and eight others was all that was left of the 47th Alabama.
Visiting Boston, New York, Washington and Valley Forge was a bonus history lesson for me. In Boston we visited Carpenters Hall, saw the Liberty Bell, etc. In New York City we saw color TV demos in the Empire State building and then went to the top. Took the boat ride to the Statue of Liberty. My next boat ride in those waters was on the USNS Geiger and we sailed right on by to Germany.
Go Spurs Go!!!! Three times NBA Champions. Whooooooooooooop!!!! Obe Won Ginobili rules!
I have to come up with another topic. I must sound like a Condi for President guy when my only intention is to be a Condi defender. Who would have thought this topic would stir up so many comments?
Farmer John, care to enlighten us on the difference between "pirate" and "lawyer?" I am not sure.
Mr. Ducky, "abrasive, authoritarian and unpopular" dressed up in black leather and you are one excited fowl, right?
Why is Big Bubba interested in the Ancient Artillery and other hereditary societies? My summertime project is to join as many as possible. I am going to try and put up my granddaughters’ pictures, they are the reason why. I really enjoy baiting the Mexiphobic elements of our society who believe that white is the only color and English the only language. The ones who forget that the Spanish culture is one of the great Western European cultures and Spanish, a Western European language, is the major language of the Western Hemisphere. Take two tacos and call Big Bubba in the morning.
The difference between a lawyer and a pirate? One of them uses a gun to rob you... Hesiod "Works and Days":
"Perses, lay up these things in your heart, and do not let that Strife who delights in mischief hold your heart back from work, while you peep and peer and listen to the wrangles of the court-house. Little concern has he with quarrels and courts who has not a year's victuals laid up betimes, even that which the earth bears, Demeter's grain. When you have got plenty of that, you can raise disputes and strive to get another's goods. But you shall have no second chance to deal so again: nay, let us settle our dispute here with true judgement divided our inheritance, but you seized the greater share and carried it off, greatly swelling the glory of our bribe-swallowing lords who love to judge such a cause as this. Fools! They know not how much more the half is than the whole, nor what great advantage there is in mallow and asphodel."
-FJ
BB,
Farmer John lived in Spain as a young boy. It is indeed a great country with wonderful traditions. I have fond memories of time spent sitting in the warm sun with my father, watching graceful matadors, picadors, and the guys on the horses going at it with el torro.
An Air Force brat, I also spent a few years down in Venezuela, while my dad and some of his friends kept an eye on the Cubans... not that it did much good.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
What could be more "open" than public urination. I'm finding you very "closed" minded today...
;-)
-FJ
Seriously, mr. ducky...
Don't you think that democracy means letting the people of Iraq decide whether or not they want "open" institutions? It sounds more like you want the U.S. to select those institutions WE like, and then impose them on Iraq.
You have to take one step at "institution building" at a time. You would have us to be Iraq's baby sitter for the next hundred years. Democratic elections and a new constitution are the "gate keepers" that open the door for those changes you want Iraq to adopt. Without gate keepers, the doors will always stay shut.
-FJ
BB,
Do you know why Condi Rice can't be called a pirate? She never passed the BAAAAARRRGGHHH.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Just a simple question. Who does a terrorist attack so as to terrorize, and what is his objective?
And if the objective cannot be achieved by attacking the victim, is it still "terrorism", or is it "something else"?
-FJ
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Do you believe that Plato was "right" to create a "Nocturnal Council" to protect the state of Magnesia from dissolution?
Plato, "Laws":
"CLEINIAS: Then let us not think of desisting until we have imparted this quality to our laws; for it is ridiculous, after a great deal of labour has been spent, to place a thing at last on an insecure foundation.
ATHENIAN: I approve of your suggestion, and am quite of the same mind with you.
CLEINIAS: Very good: And now what, according to you, is to be the salvation of our government and of our laws, and how is it to be effected?
ATHENIAN: Were we not saying that there must be in our city a council which was to be of this sort: The ten oldest guardians of the law, and all those who have obtained prizes of virtue, were to meet in the same assembly, and the council was also to include those who had visited foreign countries in the hope of hearing something that might be of use in the preservation of the laws, and who, having come safely home, and having been tested in these same matters, had proved themselves to be worthy to take part in the assembly--each of the members was to select some young man of not less than thirty years of age, he himself judging in the first instance whether the young man was worthy by nature and education, and then suggesting him to the others, and if he seemed to them also to be worthy they were to adopt him; but if not, the decision at which they arrived was to be kept a secret from the citizens at large, and, more especially, from the rejected candidate. The meeting of the council was to be held early in the morning, when everybody was most at leisure from all other business, whether public or private--was not something of this sort said by us before?
CLEINIAS: True.
ATHENIAN: Then, returning to the council, I would say further, that if we let it down to be the anchor of the state, our city, having everything which is suitable to her, will preserve all that we wish to preserve."
________
Do you still wonder what membership in silly organizations like the "Hoover Institute" and the "American Philosophical Society" means?
-FJ
mr. ducky,
As for our "friend" the ex-CIA agent, I must admit that turning him back over to Venezuelan officials would result in his immediate torture and painful death, as the victims of his importunate act are now supervising those self-same officials. (BTW, the "act" was not sanctioned by us... although we could possibly have "warned" the Cubans of his "intentions", but could have provided no specific "details".)
Now if a prestgious and well respected organization like "Amnesty International" could "honestly" vouch for his safety upon return, our government might not be so reluctant to extradite him. But extradition is a "funny" thing. It usually only happens between cooperative "friends".
Somehow, I can't imagine Cuba, North Korea, Syria, or Iran extraditing Islamic or "other" terrorists to America. Weren't the quite a few airline "hijackings" in the '70's? Should America unilaterally "do the right thing?" You seem to think so.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
If you truly reject oligarchy and all of it's manifestations, I suggest that you resign from political life altogether. For as you can see, the oligarchy, like a coin, has two sides... the "knights" and the "priests" who ride in pairs on horseback. Perhaps this map of the "Inns at Court" will provide you some "clues" as to how it works...
Inns at Court"
And just so you know, the "priests" have been infiltrated and taken over by the heirs of a new "would be king". Their moral intentions, like those of the old priests, are unquestionably "pure".
Remember that in order for the "king" to resist the demands of the "aristocracy" he must somehow gain the "people's" support. He grants them huge favors out of the accumulated "wealth" of the aristocrats.
Any of this landing above the Windsor?
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Spend some time in the "Inner Temple". I think the statue in Church Court says it all.
Inner Temple
;-)
-FJ
Farmer John, I think I have mentioned that I was an Air Force brat? You have lived in South America, but I do not recall you saying that you spoke Spanish. My personal pirate’s father was the Military Attache to Mexico and another South American country. He speaks fluent Spanish. He was an MP Captain in RVN. A fascinating, well wasted day, would be one spent observing our courts in action. My personal belief is that one must avoid the courts and their attendant pirates at all costs. I think that we should nominate the Duck to the Looney Tunes Society.
Mr. Ducky, many diabetics could tell you stories about public urination. I have been OK for awhile, but, there is nothing like blood sugar problems to create a little urinary excitement. Again you make a vague reference to the airline bombing incidents. I know what you are talking about, but, why the sam hill don’t you give us a link to support your allegations and save us some time researching? Why don’t you write a book about American terrorism? Let me help. Perhaps because your premise is utterly ridiculous and unsupportable.
Neptune, the message board seems to be interesting, but........... The provider is Prospero.com who also provides for Boston.com. Prospero.com’s web site is uninspiring with broken links. The Kansas site doesn’t seem to be working this morning. I had trouble with Boston.com. I went to another Prospero.com customer and their site was not working. Coincidence, or not a very good sign?
Samwich, my life has been in total turmoil because of deaths of female relatives, drug use by relatives, and other family issues. Things are now starting to smooth out. I am hoping to have my mother’s estate probated by the end of the year without involving pirates. I want to buy a new vehicle. I have been toying with the idea of a pick up toying a modest freshwater fishing boat. I have said it before that my idea of good fishing is a cane pole, string and red/white bobber. My technical step up is bait casting. The problem with catfishing? Finding a chump to clean the suckers.
samwich,
Just to keep the tinfoil theme workin'...
Novus Ordo Seclorum
The NWO and CFR aren't anything "recent". Their "corruption" is.
-FJ
Farmer John, Can we agree that,
'Lawyers I suppose were children once'
represents pure speculation?
Anybody spot the story about the LA Times "wikitorial" controversy? Sound familiar?
BB,
Although I am no longer a Spanish "speaker", I am a fairly good "listener", who's channel tuner can stop at Univision almost as easily as at CBS, NBC or ABC. I do admit, however, to having some difficulties with those dialects that stray too far from Castilian.
My dad served under the military attache in Madrid, and was part of the Air Force Mission support staff in Venezuela... and so I do hve memories of more than one party given at our house with machine gun toting guards stationed on the property to protect our "guests".
Lawyers were once children? I always thought they reproduced asexually, like amoeba's or burst out of their victim's abdomen half grown, like 'Aliens".
-FJ
On Fishing...Plato "Sophist"
"We are agreed, he says, about the name Sophist, but we may not be equally agreed about his nature. Great subjects should be approached through familiar examples, and, considering that he is a creature not easily caught, I think that, before approaching him, we should try our hand upon some more obvious animal, who may be made the subject of logical experiment; shall we say an angler?
'Very good.'
In the first place, the angler is an artist; and there are two kinds of art,--productive art, which includes husbandry, manufactures, imitations; and acquisitive art, which includes learning, trading, fighting, hunting. The angler's is an acquisitive art, and acquisition may be effected either
by exchange or by conquest; in the latter case, either by force or craft. Conquest by craft is called hunting, and of hunting there is one kind which pursues inanimate, and another which pursues animate objects; and animate objects may be either land animals or water animals, and water animals either fly over the water or live in the water. The hunting of the last is called fishing; and of fishing, one kind uses enclosures, catching the fish in nets and baskets, and another kind strikes them either with spears by night or with barbed spears or barbed hooks by day; the barbed spears are impelled from above, the barbed hooks are jerked into the head and lips of the fish, which are then drawn from below upwards. Thus, by a series of divisions, we have arrived at the definition of the angler's art.
And now by the help of this example we may proceed to bring to light the nature of the Sophist. Like the angler, he is an artist, and the resemblance does not end here. For they are both hunters, and hunters of animals; the one of water, and the other of land animals. But at this point they diverge, the one going to the sea and the rivers, and the other to the rivers of wealth and rich meadow-lands, in which generous youth abide. On land you may hunt tame animals, or you may hunt wild animals.
And man is a tame animal, and he may be hunted either by force or persuasion;--either by the pirate, man-stealer, soldier, or by the lawyer, orator, talker. The latter use persuasion, and persuasion is either private or public. Of the private practitioners of the art, some bring gifts to those whom they hunt: these are lovers. And others take hire; and some of these flatter, and in return are fed; others profess to teach virtue and receive a round sum. And who are these last?
Tell me who?
Have we not unearthed the Sophist?"
-FJ
BB,
No, I hadn't heard of the Wikitorial, although I am a great fan of the Wikipedia. I suspect the problem the LA Times was that they did it on the wiki-wiki. I don't think Wikipedia could make it either, at least not on a 24 hour news cycle. Michael Kinsley should have done a little more homework on the blogosphere.
-FJ
More info on Posada...
Declass Docs
-FJ
Ooops, more on Posada (Part II)...
Part II
-FJ
Deporting Posado to Venezuela is out of the question.
"Posada has denied involvement in the terrorist attack on the Cubana airline jet that blew up over Barbados. Most of the 73 passengers and crew members were Cuban and Venezuelan. He was acquitted after two trials in Venezuela and then escaped from a jail there in 1985 while he waited for an appeal by prosecutors."
The Venezuelans had him and tried him. The Venezuelans seem to believe in triple or quadruple jeopardy. We do not. Speaking of roadside human waste Chavez should not be allowed to have a propaganda show trial to distract from his rape of his mother country.
Duck, what was your link for? There were dozens of stories there.
mr. ducky,
I loved the Molly Maguires reference… it lead me to:
Molly Maguires
Too bad the Molly Maguires couldn't have spent more time "dialoguing" with the wealthier ancestors of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick. Maybe people wouldn't have died that way…
AOH
From a Sons of St. Tammany article…
“In the first of the "Farmer's Letters," which appeared in 1768, John Dickinson writes, "Benevolence towards mankind excites wishes for their welfare and such wishes endear the means of fulfilling them. These can be found in liberty only and therefore her sacred cause ought to be espoused by every man on every occasion to the utmost of his power." In the two lines of his song— "Then join Hand in Hand brave Americans all, By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall"—
Is the pith of all his letters; it was the motto of the times; it was the slogan which was eventually to lead the patriots to victory.
The non-importing resolutions were made stronger, and their being adhered to by weak-kneed and avaricious brethren and looked after by the patriotic Sons of Liberty forged another link in the chain that was forming to bind the Colonies together. Men now began to talk and write of America. There was much less heard of the Colony,— more of the Colonies. There had long been a Saint Andrew's Society, founded in 1749 to look after Scotchmen, a Saint David's for the Welsh, and in 1771 a Saint George's Society had been established for Englishmen, promptly followed by the Friendly Sons of Saint Patrick for the Irish.”
________
But then, perhaps these sons of Ireland hadn’t gotten the word. E Pluribus Unum.
Or perhaps they had, only they were too concerned with earning a paycheck, then building a business. That does seem to be the "post-modern disease". It is, after all, a different "form" on which many today build. If you ask me, it doesn't support much "weight".
-FJ
More on the "Friendly Sons of St. Patrick"...[priests (inner temple), not knights(middle temple)?]
FSOSP
ps - Notice the Sword on the "Ancients" website
-FJ
Last post on Irish "fraternal" organizations... I promise
History of AOH and Orange Divisions
-FJ
BB,
I think it's time to re-consider extradition treaties and various other relationships with Venezuela. They have fallen into the "enemy" camp, and have become both a Castro "puppet" regime... and cash cow for South American radicalism.
And you're right, I can't imagine watching a Posada Show Trial? All of Chavez's paranoid ramblings about the CIA and assassination attempts would be given "credibility". The number of lectors surrounding him would increase "exponentially". Sounds like something right out of Plato's "Republic". I suspect Chavez's appetite for "human flesh" is growing too. He longs to dine at a remote posada.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Boy, that sure was some "trumping up" of charges. Imagine killing 24 of your own managers just to get rid of some union organizers.
-FJ
A tribute to mr. ducky...
Strawbs - Part Of The Union Lyrics:
Now I'm a union man
Amazed at what I am
I say what I think, that the company stinks
Yes I'm a union man
When we meet in the local hall
I'll be voting with them all
With a hell of a shout, it's "Out brothers, out!"
And the rise of the factory's fall
Oh, you don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die
Until the day I die
The union has made me wise
To the lies of the company spies
And I don't get fooled by the factory rules
'cause I always read between the lines
And I always get my way
If I strike for higher pay
When I show my card to the Scotland Yard
And this is what I say:
Oh, oh, you don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die
Until the day I die
Before the union did appear
My life was half as clear
Now I've got the power to the working hour
And every other day of the year
So though I'm a working man
I can ruin the government's plan
And though I'm not hard, the sight of my card
Makes me some kind of superman
Oh, oh, oh, you don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die
Until the day I die
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die
Until the day I die
-FJ ;-)
BB,
You should recognize this from today's Federalist Patriot...
"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition." --Thomas Jefferson
First one depends upon himself... then his union... and finally the federal government. We've finally achieved the 2nd derivative.
-FJ
The growth of American dependence (again from the FP):
"With a benchmark dependence score
of 100 for the year 1980, American citizens' dependence on federal government assistance has mushroomed to a score of 212 on the Heritage index, more than twice that of a generation ago."
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Deliberately blowing up a civilian airliner with the intent of murdering "innocents" is ALWAYS wrong. I liked your "Italian" solution. It was "perfect". Let's hope the Italians file for extradition soon.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Thanks for the history lesson on the "Haymarket Affair". The results would certainly make me "sweat" if I were in the "left's" shoes. Incitement to violence... reminds me of E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime". But then, Emma Goldman was an anarchist too (later "repentant").
Haymarket Affair
It's certainly a harder case to call... I'd have to study it more thoroughly... but regardless, throwing a bomb into a crowd of policemen does usually generate a "strong reaction"... crossing over into over-reaction. But like I say, I'd have to look at it more thoroughly.
-FJ
I go outside to dig a hole and this whole thread is going wild. Is it just me, or, is it hard to keep up with.
I want to find a plain jane forum like FPM. You can look at the titles/posters name and generally know if you want to join the sub-thread or go to the next one. I just can't find one yet. All the ones I have found seem to be cast from the same mold. I know the ideal is out there and I just have to find it.
Help!
mr. ducky,
Maybe not "complete" abandonment, but definitely disillusioned from 1921 on...
Goldman Chron @ PBS
-FJ
BB,
I used to like the Baltimore Sun's newspaper site. It was broken down into newspaper "sections" (ie- national, local, sports, editorials), and they allowed the posters to create their own threads to talk about anything (including articles) within those sections. It also presented the results (about 20-25 most recent per page) to all "posters" in reverse chronological order by last thread posted to, so that the most recent posts to threads in a section always landed on top. The threads also all carried the "creator's" monicker and the number of posts in it, so you had some clue as to how well it was being responded to and how active it was.
I know, it sounds more complicated than it really was... but it was somewhat nice because if you wanted to see what any "specific" poster was talking about, you could use a search function on his monicker and you would get all his latest posts in ALL threads, reverse chronologically.
That was quite a few years ago. My computer was "hacked" shortly after joining. I never went back.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Bubba started things off with Condi, but the Molly Maguires and Posada were your digressions...
Me, I just filled in with garbled tinfoil hat receptions.
-FJ
Probably the best of FPM at that. It is alot of work to mind this blog. All I wanted to do was attract the Duck, harass Samwich, and have lively, friendly discourse with all who venture in. I appreciate the support. Half the fun of the old FPM was a little good natured name calling and some raucous talk. There is a huge difference in the way Mr. Ducky can talk sometimes and the speech of a weasel--FPM moron. I wouldn't want my granddaughters to see it, but, while I don't approve of the language I am not a prude.
SFLBIB over at FPM uncovered the reason for the Janice Rogers Brown broohaha. Now I "get it"...
JRB Speech
I think she'll eventually be nominated to become a "Supreme". I can't wait!
-FJ
Big Bubba,
I am incredulous at all the comments which your posting generated. Just keeping up with the comments is a full-time job. You deserve some r&r after all this furor!
"If music be the food of love
then laughter is its queen
and likewise if behind is in front
then dirt in truth is clean...."
Procol Harum, "Whiter Shade of Pale"
JRB is a girl who knows how to sing! Her speech to the Federalist Society hit a few notes that I hadn't heard clearly before, especially relative to understanding Supreme Court decisions since the 30's.
Our American society was founded upon the trinity of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". In other societies this is oft stated "life, liberty, and the pursuit of property".
But since the 30's (and even before, with the advent of the income tax), Americans have lost their previously sacrosanct right to "property". Supreme Court decisions now treat property rights as a kind of "subordinate" right to personal liberty type "rights", instead of an "equally" important right.
This allows the pirates to plunder everyone without restraint, especially when you consider that money and property represent an investment of a persons "life" (labor hours=$, Adam Smith "Wealth of Nations").
The "New London" decision simply being the most recent example and case in point.
And so, mr. ducky, you have some nerve complaining about the oligarchs getting railroad land subsidies. Ever since the late nineteenth century the Democratic Party has been robbing workers of their lives by way of THEIR income and social security taxes, preventing workers from accumulating wealth and becoming entrepeneurs, and turning them into dependents of the factory state. All so they can lord it over them, and make them beg to simply get back was was taken from them. You ought to be ashamed!
So of course JRB didn't get a "qualified" rating from the ABA! She refuses to hoist the jolly roger! She's on to their game and alerting other ships to the danger!
-FJ
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