Now I Don't Know What The Title Should Be
It was going to be "If It Is Thursday It Must Be Ad Hominem Day At FPM." Well I'll be dipped there didn't seem to be a single ad hominem attack directed at Ann Coulter. Could this be a change for the better? Well I suppose it is if you are fascinated by post toasties that float in the milk for way too long. When I checked FPM the last ten posts had nothing to do with the Coulter article. I estimate that better than half the posts had nothing to do with the article. It was idle chit chat, speculation and attempts to exchange e-mail addresses. That was despite Beaker2's message to the troops, (but the troops disregarded it):
1 Stay on topic
2 No sandbox taunts
3 No ethnic , religious or slurs against anyone except Libertarians. Just joking Mike
4 Back your points up with history.
As I previously noted there was also the little junior trooper longing for liars to be banned from FPM. If that works out, pal, move on to Congress with your brainstorm and do all mankind some good. Thank goodness Roberta banned me from the intellectual disaster that FPM has become.
Big Bubba’s Big Recommendation for your daily hilarity (after you read my goddess, Ann Coulter, of course) has to be Politics, Math, Gospel Confuse Dem Political Operative. Is Big Bubba the only one who has noticed that the demoracists are absolutely coming unhinged? Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean and Donna Brazile are all the entertainment that Big Bubba needs.
1 Stay on topic
2 No sandbox taunts
3 No ethnic , religious or slurs against anyone except Libertarians. Just joking Mike
4 Back your points up with history.
As I previously noted there was also the little junior trooper longing for liars to be banned from FPM. If that works out, pal, move on to Congress with your brainstorm and do all mankind some good. Thank goodness Roberta banned me from the intellectual disaster that FPM has become.
Big Bubba’s Big Recommendation for your daily hilarity (after you read my goddess, Ann Coulter, of course) has to be Politics, Math, Gospel Confuse Dem Political Operative. Is Big Bubba the only one who has noticed that the demoracists are absolutely coming unhinged? Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean and Donna Brazile are all the entertainment that Big Bubba needs.
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Big Bubba
Other then you not being there it is a better place. Ducky must have made a Likudnick crack. Steve BL doesn't like that at all.
Beakerkins, I became a regular at FPM years ago. It has not changed for the better. It is a sand box with well behaved denizens conforming to an enforced artificial standard of behavior enforced by a mindless twit with limited intellectual ability.
When I have an opportunity I will research the archives and give you some names and examples from the past at FPM. Horowitz waited too long to take action to correct a problem. When he did take action it was the wrong action. Worse yet he took the wrong actions not once, but twice.
The name Heathen comes to mind of someone who used to be a regular poster. When the silliness began he left. He returned once or twice and commented about how ignorant the corrective actions were and left again. I doubt seriously if he ever returns as a regular.
You are either a believer in free speech or not. I believe in free speech. I hope that the day never comes if I have to trash can some moron's attempts to take down my blog. That would be mild compared to David Horowitz's wrong-headed, all out assault on free speech. Someone who finds offense in words like feckless, mindless and twit is deeply flawed intellectually.
Mr. Ducky, Have you ever speculated about the persona "Roberta?" Is "Roberta" actually "Roberto?" Is "Roberta" one of those trans-gender challenged thingies, or is "Roberta" a really angry dyke with an attitude? I think we can agree on one thing for sure. The current version of FPM sucks. Ooops, can I say "suck" here?
I am one of a majority of Texans who voted for Priscilla Owens several times. Most of us are puzzled by all the controversy surrounding Judge Owens. Judge Owens never was controversial here in the Great State of Texas until carpet bagger out of state demoracists started to tell their knee jerk party loyalists that Judge Owen was controversial. I give the demoracists strategists credit for innovation by their attempt to slip by the "big lie" under the guise of what Alberto Gonzalez allegedly believed.
I waited patiently for eight years so that I could see a Republican President appoint conservative judges. I support any action to stop demoracist activists who are attempting to subvert the constitutional right of an elected President to appoint candidates to the Federal Judiciary. Pondering on my WWDD bracelet I decided that the Republicans need to actually exercise control and leadership - iron fisted if necessary. WWDD? What Would the Demoracists Do, what else? I know what they would do because they where large and in charge for decades. Now it is our turn.
Ann Coulter had no insight into the compromise. She poked fun at it. That is what she does, she's a political satirist. How about Howard Dean? What insight does he offer with his statement that Republicans do not know what it is like to work for an honest living? Howard Dean certainly is struggling as an insight guru.
Guys I really want to get in on this, but, I have to get the ol' big body headed in the direction of Austin to see my sister. Lunch will be at a great Catfish restaurant. Southern style Catfish, slaw and hush puppies - does it get any better?
When I return I want to comment on Cousin George and Southern cousins in general. Cousin George and I share Great Grandfather Leonard. Bonus points for anyone who can guess what country gave us Leonard the Emigrant. It's a real hoot in the context of today's world.
I'll be back!
Ducky
What did you do to Canadian Steve ?
At the end of the CNS article is this statement: "Brazile insisted that "the problem is [voters] don't know exactly who we are and what we stand for.'"
On the contrary, someone should inform Ms. Brazile that many voters DID understand what the Democratic Party stands for and cast their votes in another direction. Here in Northern Virignia (and I suspect throughout the nation too), many lifelong and activist Democrats voted Republican for the first time ever. Of course, 9/11 was a decisive factor for many of these switched voters.
Back from a great day in Austin and a nice lunch with my sister at Catfish Parlor. I highly recommend Catfish Parlor to anyone visiting Austin.
Mr. Ducky, was being cute, “rethugs still marry cousins” and that is what got me started on cousins. Southerners are often ridiculed as cousin marrying hayseeds. Two of my second cousins, who were second cousins, were married. It happens. Why?
I grew up hearing stories about my Confederate great-grandfather. He enlisted in the Forty-Seventh Alabama Infantry Regiment for the duration of the war. He was at Appomattox when General Robert E. Lee surrendered, laid down his arms, and returned home to Alabama.
When I was older, I realized that some elements of the family story did not make sense. That is why I became interested in genealogy. Some of the first members of my Southern family were Virginia Ancient Planters so we have been here for awhile. The more family information that I gathered enabled me to start seeing patterns of lifestyle and migration. I noticed that when the colonials died their spouses wasted no time remarrying. Husbands and wives alike remarried quickly. Because the need was immediate, and the pool of available potential spouses limited, cousins married cousins.
When a colonial died the executors of the will very quickly did an inventory. When you read wills, inventories and think about the conditions of colonial existence you understand why they remarried so quickly. Possessions and frills were few. There were lands, animals and children to be tended to. One person could not do it all in colonial America. They needed a helpmeet.
George Bush? We share a Huguenot great-grandfather, born in France, immigrated to these shores and was naturalized as a subject of the Crown in James City, Colony of Virginia, in 1680.
Ducko
Are you sure you didn't throw in some Likud or over the top Israel lines. Remember he is somewhat less testy then I am
I hoped that Mr. Ducky would join us because he is in opposition to our conservative views and uses very colorful language. Aggravatingly colorful language. Makes some people go crazy colorful language. Is President Toad a step up or a step down from President Chimpy?
Neptune, large groups, almost by definition, are going to be chaotic parliamentary rules or not. Never mind free speech in a large group just having any speech heard is an accomplishment. The most pleasurable group I ever participated in was when the professor asked if we would mind meeting in his private quarters because the class was so small. Small and informal discussion groups are great. Large groups are for those who like large groups. Large groups are on my list of aggravations that I avoid.
I also prefer the FPM format like you. However, the in line problems are easy enough to overcome by doing exactly like you and I have done - addressing the post. When I use “Neptune” you are alerted that I am probably responding to something that you posted.
I think it may be a trifle unkind to ascribe solely a commercial motive to David Horowitz’s site. He certainly does benefit with new names for his mailing lists. Roberta’s approach was not flawed, it was juvenile. She failed to observe and research the situation before she started with her radical moves for the worse. Personally I am glad to be gone.
Neptune, I can see that numbering would make responding more efficient. I wonder if comments can be tweaked on Blogger?
Bubba
Here is the story Fionna was a big
source of funds for DH. One day Socko went off his rocker and went after Fionna.
Viper convinced DH that the boards had to be cleaned. He also tricked Socko into an appology.
DH had problems that went beyond Socko. Alan was also a problem. Uptown Steve and the reaction he inspired was a problem.
Once the precedent was set it was hard to turn back.
One or more of my relatives were in these units,
7th Alabama Cavalry
10th Alabama Infantry
14th Alabama Infantry
47th Alabama Infantry
62nd Alabama Infantry
9th Arkansas Infantry
1st Arkansas Infantry (Colquitt)
6th Georgia Regiment, Infantry
17th Regiment Volunteer Infantry CSA (Harris Barstows)(Georgia)
4th Regiment Louisiana Infantry
12th Tennessee Regiment Partisan Cavalry Rangers
13th Tennessee Regiment Infantry
6th Virginia Infantry
2nd Virginia Regiment
If you have family here in Virginians - the Family History of J.W. Pritchett, we could be cousins. I don't know for sure, yet, how I am related to J.W. Pritchett. One thing I know for sure is that one of my preacher cousins married two of his ancestors. My maternal grandmother's family is an "Allied Family" in this most excellent genealogy site. I am related to several other "Allied Families" on this site.
Neptune, we are indeed cousins. John Jeter the emigrant is my sixth great-grandfather. The book is The Jeter Mosaic by Grata Jeter Clark of Ft Worth, Tex. One of Grata's premises is that all Jeters are related. My research leads me to believe that is true.
My second great-grandfather wanted to leave Jetersville at the onset of the War Between the States. My great granduncle, William, was the Sheriff of Jetersville at that time. The family story was that John Allen was not a supporter of the war and wanted to remove his family to Texas. The family fell short and ended up in Arkansas. My branch has become forever known as "the family that ran." Despite "running" several sons served in the Confederate Army.
When I was a boy, my father was stationed at Langley Field for several years. My mother tracked down some Jeter cousins in Richmond and we visited them. I am sure that I still have many cousins in Virginia. Worsham, Hardy, and Farrar are some other names that come to mind.
Samwich, I thought you had disappeared because I forgot that you were going fishing. Welcome back.
Welcome to the confusing world of Southern Cousins Genealogy. The John Jeter I mentioned was the original Jeter to emigrate to America. All American Jeters are related to him. It is believed that the Jeters (Jeter in French: “to throw”) were Huguenots who left France for England to escape religious persecution. There is not any information about his ancestors.
Pleasant Jeter is my 2nd cousin, four times removed. His son a Doctor of Divinity, Jeremiah Bell Jeter, called the first meeting of the Board of Managers on 20 May 1845, in the library of Second Baptist Church, Richmond, Virginia, with the primary concern of securing a permanent Corresponding Secretary. This was the beginning of the Southern Baptist Convention. Jeter Hall, at the University of Richmond, is named in honor of Jeremiah Bell Jeter the first president of the Board of Trustees for Richmond College. His brother, Andrew Fuller Jeter, was a member of the Missouri Legislature.
I know of Ransom Jeter, but I do not have detailed information about him. He was possibly named for Presley Jeter’s son, Ransom Carter Jeter, who was four months old when he died in 08 Dec 1790.
The Hardy’s original emigrant was John Noble Worthington Hardy, my ninth great grandfather. The Hardys originated in Wales. He died 07 Oct 1697, in the Chowan District of North Carolina. The family seems to bounce back and forth to Virginia with ease. Perhaps you know of the Riveredge Plantation outside of Norfolk, Virgina. The head of the family, Thomas Asbury Hardy, was born in North Carolina. He was the fourth great grandson of John Noble Worthington Hardy. He is my second cousin, five times removed.
The Hardy Family is large and relationships complicated. It is a work in progress for me, but I do have the names of about sixty Hardy relatives in my genealogy files including the Riveredge Plantation Family.
Neptune this was the story relayed to me by Viper.
I am sendind out an All points lookout for the missing Big Bubba.
My Nephew put up the links but I wanted to put yours first.
SAmwich good to see you. I am temporarily moving to Vermont.
Drop by and wish me luck Sammy
Neptune, We need to take the genealogy to e-mail so I don't get labeled as a genealogy site. When I first started genealogy research it was for my personal enjoyment. Cyndi's List was probably the very first source I started at for info. I have moved on and haven't been there for years.
When I started turning up connections like Farrar's Island, an ancestor who sailed with Lord de la Ware, the Hardy's of Riveredge connection I decided that I better properly document all of my information in case my claims were questioned. I am currently properly documenting. I have quite a bit of info about the Hardys, Jeters, Jeffersons, Worshams, Branches, Cockes, Doziers, Dumases, and other early families in my files.
Now if only I can prove Mr. Ducky is my cousin my work will be done here.
Samwich, I like Krusteaz, but today's big question is - Mormon's can use beer batter? Sounds extreme to me.
Neptune/BB,
The genealogy on this site doesn't bother or bore me... it's one of my "once strong" but "currently dormant" hobbies. Unfortunately, I've only got half my tree researched, and that half headed off into mother Europe quite early, in the late nineteenth century. I've been told I have some "Civil War" era ancestors on the "other" half of the tree who served with Garfield, Ohio Sharpshooters, and are listed on a monument at his tomb... so perhaps our ancestors crossed arms at some point.
Any Ostfries from Texas in those noble Texas lines of yours? I didn't hear any Gerdes or Schoone's, so I'm probably barking up the wrong Lone Star Republic tree.
-FJ
Neptune Viper is a close friend of Fionna and an infrequent poster.
Fionna was devestated and Hurt by Socrates filth and she is a donor of some size.
Where is Jonesy ????
FJ, Your names, to me, seem unusual in terms of German family names. Given the three names you gave could all be names from The Netherlands I would have to ask are you sure these people originated in Germany? Gerdes and Ostfries could be names from Northern/North West Germany. Friese has been forever immortalized in the English Folk rhyme,
Bread, butter and green cheese
Is good English and good Friese.
This is reference to the extreme closeness of the English and Friese language. Have you ever watched a film in Dutch, dubbed in English, and thought that you really couldn't tell the film was dubbed by watching the actor's lips? That is because of the closeness of Dutch to English. Of course they are all closely related Germanic languages - English, Dutch, German, Friese. The Friese language is a low German dialect betwixt and between German and English.
I could only find Ostfries and Gerdes in Texas. The names main distribution was Northern Texas, an area that I would expect to find names from The Netherlands.
Big bubba
I have told all trolls to report here for thrashing . I am in the process of moving . Check your blogshare page
Neptune, the problem with the genealogy boards is the old, old story - do people know what they are talking about. You can from time to time find a tidbit on the boards, or a point in the right direction. You have to wade through alot of info that may, or may not be applicable to get to your info. For example my family name will turn up France (Elsass-Lothringen), Russia (a village settled by Germans), lots of Jewish researchers related to the Russian village, a Switzerland geographical location with my family name, Austria, Germany and on and on and on. Where do I go? Further confusion is the fact that my family name, in the German language, is a description of a location within a village or town. A new genealogical researcher has much to learn before they can effectively research.
FJ, I forgot to mention that you should not think I don't have some yankees hanging from my family tree. I have ancestors who were in New York, Ohio, Illinois and Iowa infantry units. One of the Jeter cousins was a Captain in a yankee Kentucky unit. I have a GAR fringed ribbon from Medina, Ohio. One side is all black when in mourning and the other side in color. I also have a pin back GAR button. I have a nicely framed discharge certificate for a relative's Ohio reserve unit fulfilling their term of service.
FJ, it happens even in the best of Southern families. My Southern family held out until WWII brought my father South from Illinois. If you follow my link about the Riveredge Hardys, above, there is an interesting anecdote about when Mary Pinkney Hardy married the yankee general, Arthur MacArthur. Her four Confederate brothers, my third cousins four times removed, refused to attend the wedding.
Mr. Ducky, I am starting to feel the urge to make a library run and I will check out your recommendation. I thought that you have also, in the past, implied that you have Russian ancestors. Do you?
I was always told that one of my yankee uncles was supposed to be of a Russian Jew family. His family name was German, but, there were huge colonies of Germans lured to the Ukraine by the Czar in the 19th century.
Thanks for the genealogy tips, gentlemen... I appreciate it, especially since my ggm's name was Antje Gerdes Schoone (but with umaltts) and she came from Aurich-Oldendorf and a little town just south, Ost-Grosefehn.
Ostfrieseland is a little penninsula in Saxony just across the Rhine from the Netherlands. They are indeed low-Dutch speakers there. The problem doing research lies in the patronymics (so Gerd Peters son becomes Peter Gerdes, and his son can become Gerd Peters again...at least before Napoleon). The Ostfries are just one of the German tribes that held off the Romans...and eventually migrated to the UK with the Angles and Saxons. I've got a characteristic short-fat-squared-off "Saxon foot" made for walking in the bogs and low-land marshes charateristic of the area (makes shoe-fitting difficult).
And I must admit, there are probably a few Southern soldiers in my tree too on my dad's side, but I've never had the time to research them. My gm's last name was Rabon (Raburn?) and they were from the Wilmington area.
-FJ
Ostfriesland is an area of Germany immediately east (Ost) of the Netherlands state Friesia. These two areas in ancient times were the united state called Friesia. The given name Antje, to me, is very low German. I doubt if it is very common outside of Friesian areas. The town of Aurich-oldendorf certainly seems to be in Ostfriesland.
Please, somebody, when saying how ridiculous Judge Brown is, remember to check out the idiocies of Ruth Baider Ginsberg (past legal counsel for the ACLU) and tell me she was 'mainstream'!! This is a judge whose lesser stupidites include ruling that we should stop calling days Father's Day and Mother's Day and make it Parents Day, so nothing is too gender specific. THAT"S "mainstream", right? The ACLU is MAINSTREAM? grow up, folks. Do your homework, then check out all the blacks in America who DO applaud Brown's past rulings. There is so much misinformation going on, and I was really sorry to see it here, too.
z
And then I read here that Ducky finds it 'humerous' (so's the spelling), that the Right equates Leftists with Stalinists, even when the Left's GULAG comment about Gitmo's still ringing in our ears.
Gentlemen, I agree with your comments about FPM and have taken to posting less and less there, myself.
My problem is more with the content provided by the site. The fact that it is all conservative is fine; that's why I visit there. But the articles themselves endlessly repeat one another. And the ones that don't make ludicrous claims about trivial things in Hollywood movies! It may be a mistaken impression, but it seems to me they used to have a few more quality contributors a few years ago. There is a lot going on in the world but much of it just passes FPM right by. (My compliments to Bubba's Blog for already ranging wider than 3 months of topics at FPM). It's that somewhat obsessively narrow content, along with its most ridiculous measures to "control" posts, that's hampered their forums.
Bubba, tangential to your discussion of the similarities of Dutch/English , songs in Swedish sound uncannily like English as well--though when spoken it is more noticeably different. In fact the act of singing has a very interesting way of "smoothing over" dialects and accents without necessarily masking them. Understanding spoken French can be difficult, but to hear it sung, it is clear as a bell.
A tool was developed recently for train stations in England--an algorithm designed to make the spoken voice clearer over loudspeakers without attenuating (EQ-ing) the frequency (thus making the high freqs harsher or low ones too farty). This algorithm, when reversed, produces pure gibberish that still sounds exactly like regular speech without any weird phase artifacts.
Norm Chompski
Norm, I agree with you somewhat, but wanted to know if, regarding the Hollywood movies, for example, it's not valid to discuss them in how huge their influence is, the huge and, I believe, unfair influence from a leftist group who has pretty much 'carte blanche' to change hearts in such obvious ways. (or at least follow the leftist line most people get at university, from the mainstream press, etc.)One could argue that conservative talk radio also is changing hearts to their side, mostly to the Right, but movies are different: one goes to movies regardless of one's political persuasion...we don't go looking for hymns to the choir, we go to be entertained....and then we, and our kids, get sometimes subtle, sometimes not so subtle, messages which do influence, no doubt about it.
FPM really does beat a dead horse quite frequently, but it seems to me that their points are usually valid and understandable...and at least they welcome right and left posters, unlike DU or movon.org, which prohibits, even to the point of saying conservatives aren't welcome.
I don't want to get into a "who's right, who's wrong" here, but don't you think the Hollywood film point is valid, and that, as films continue to come out, another article about yet another message from the left might be at least somewhat valid for discussion...it's not the film per se, it's the effect on the public.
Z (good to see ya!), sure, it's legitimate to discuss Hollywood movies and other products of contemporary culture in such a context. In fact, I very much enjoy doing so. So far FPM hasn't provided the writer who can do so intelligently--though the posters in the forums get to a a better level of detail. They don't display an understanding of film history or how to "read" a film, and they don't take into account the industry and how it runs. They merely find plots, characters, or dialogue that offends their sensibilities. This is superficial at best. It's treating the symptom, not the sickness.
On the right and left there is no shortage of people who are not happy with Hollywood's product. Yet I'd be hard-pressed to think of an industry more purely free market. Hollywood, like it's counterpart, Madison Avenue, is forever guaging consumer's demands and delivering what it thinks will meet those. What makes them a fascinating study is that these products are precisely wish-fulfillments, and as such, windows into all our thoughts and desires as a culture. It does no good to finger point from either side of the aisle when clearly, we are all consumers of these products.
Norm Chompski
Norm / Zinla
A wonderful little discussion going on about Hollywood. I've gotten a little tired of discussing the war and ABoR to the FPM drumbeat as well, so BB's blog is a nice little escape for both "regulars" and "exiles".
Zinla, I think you're right that the left has a tremendous "media" advantage in getting their message across through Hollywood (Iris AND Hermes vs Hermes alone). And Norm shows us that the capitalist system does nothing to inhibit that message's spread, that people are more than willing to pay to escape the real world and live out their "dreams/ wishes" vicariously.
Which to me strikes a chord, in that Freud used to say, as Norm has said about movies, that dreams were "wish fulfillments".
However, real dreams differ in several respects from movies, for often the "craziness" of the dream is a result of a consistent censors work (the ego-ideal subconsciously repressing and transforming subject matter), whereas the censorship in movies has been noticeably "changing" over the last several decades and there is little 'symbolic' craziness in movies to interpret anymore (ie -trains entering tunnels).
And so, I just wanted to confirm Norm's insight that a larger study of Hollywood films is of tremendous value to obtaining insight into our culture and the more recent changes to its' collective ego-ideal.
For I think that the moves to decrease the amounts of gratuitous sex and violence in film are precisely those things people secretly hope to see at the movies and in their dreams, and therefore represent issues our culture/ civilization is having difficulty balancing and sorting out.
People may deny these facts, but sex and violence are both deep seated human instincts that have been bottled up by civilization and the need for human coexistance, and are actively seeking release in all of us.
There is nothing that the left or right can do to diminish or eliminate these instincts, but if we wish to retain some level of our civilization, the solution cannot be to simply abandon repression of "some" instincts altogether, but to work together to develop creative sublimated outlets for all of them.
-FJ
Hey Neptune, My family name is maddox too, and family lore says they came from France and settled in VA , do you still have contact with your Maddox friend? I would love to compare notes with him.
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