Noted Without Comment Or Judgement
There are many articles floating around the internet about the recent Billy Graham New York City Crusade. Here is one of many, Bill, Hil join hands at Graham crusade, with some general information and specific information about the second night with Hillary and Bill visited.
This story, Why I Walked Out on Billy Graham By Rev. Rob Schenck, is also widely available on the internet. It never ceases to amaze me how some preachers seem to overlook key passages of the Bible.
Matthew 9:11-13 (King James Version)
11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
This story, Why I Walked Out on Billy Graham By Rev. Rob Schenck, is also widely available on the internet. It never ceases to amaze me how some preachers seem to overlook key passages of the Bible.
Matthew 9:11-13 (King James Version)
11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
posted by BigBubba at 5:39 AM
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11 Comments:
Neptune, was there something about the Bible passage that I quoted that you have failed to understand? Whatever Jesus said about sheep's clothing he still sat with the publican, met with sinners, and mingled with society's outcasts in general. If the hard heart of Herod had softened enough for him to even approach the sermon mount you don't think Jesus would have drawn him near? He supped with publicans. He allowed a loose woman to wash his feet. He cautioned us when he asked who would cast the first stone.
Personally I think that if you wanted Hill & Bill to hear the Gospel message sitting them on the stage was a small price to pay. As for the remark it was obviously a lighthearted remark passed for its humorous effect rather than as an intellectual point.
Neptune, Ted Kennedy is not Hill/Bill. The pulpit of a church is quite different then the pulpit on the stage of a Graham meeting. Politeness and courtesy have always been the hallmarks of Billy Graham the man.
William Jefferson Clinton stated that his admiration of Graham began when he refused to speak at a segregated revival meeting in Arkansas. I understand. I cringed when the Deacons of the First Baptist Church stood on the steps of the church to bar blacks from entering in the sixties. I don't believe my grandfather (a Deacon of that church) would have approved if he were still alive at that time. As Bible believing, God fearing people we wonder how our ancestors could have enslaved others, subsequently segregated them and justified that conduct in the Word of God. Yet we mercilessly kill millions in the abortion clinics of America while dust gathers on our Bibles and Christian principles.
My Grandfather was the Chairman of the Billy Graham Crusade Houston in 1952. He passed away before the Crusade took place. I accompanied my family to a reception at a friend’s house for Billy Graham. I met Mr. Graham, Cliff Barrows, George Beverly Shea, the Hollywood man (I forget his name) who wrote “The Hands of Time,” and others. It has always been customary for Billy Graham to have local dignitaries on the stage at his Crusade’s for as long as I remember. Lighten up, Neptune, et al.
Mr. Ducky, We were looking at family photos last night at my step daughters house. I saw one and asked her when she last saw Ronnie. I hadn't seen him in awhile. Ronnie was her friend and workmate. She had introduced Ronnie to the former li'l Ms. Bubbette, and I, many years ago. Ronnie was always invited to parties, birthdays, etc. Ronnie is a black homosexual. I most certainly do not hate Ronnie. I just disapprove of his lifestyle. You appear to be a ridiculous little man with your homophobe rants. Get over it.
Mr. Ducky, most sane people can see the basic contradiction of a Graham Crusade at night and a Gay Pride event the next day. You never mention wife and children. Are you gay, Ducky Boy?
It's off to Home Depot to spend money(, but, don't buy the stock).
BB,
I'm surprised at you. Founders like Madison argued for strict "separation of Church and State" so that the CHURCH would not get corrupted…
From Madison’s “Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments”…
“2. Because Religion be exempt from the authority of the Society at large, still less can it be subject to that of the Legislative Body. The latter are but the creatures and vicegerents of the former. Their jurisdiction is both derivative and limited: it is limited with regard to the co-ordinate departments, more necessarily is it limited with regard to the constituents.
The preservation of a free Government requires not merely, that the metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably maintained; but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission from which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The People who submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an authority derived from them, and are slaves.”
But as long as "politics" were left at the door, I've got no problem seeing Bill Clinton in church or on a podium and having him speak a few words. Just like I've got no problems seeing a copy of the "Big Ten" (Commandments) hanging on a courtroom wall or on a monument outside.
If a strict separation of Church and State had to be maintained, we all have to leave the content of our minds on the Courthouse steps and our physical bodies on the Church steps.
-FJ
mr. ducky,
Laissez-faire capitalism means Laissez-faire... minimal government intervention... ie - It mints the money, prevents people from debasing the coinage and counterfeiting. I never said I was a laissez-faire capitalist.
My "preferred" system of government is described in Plato's "Laws". It's completely different and based upon an almost completely "closed" society. It sets strict limits on the amount of money people can have. The money's only "good" in the country itself. It does not trade with other countries. It strives for self sufficiency. On founding, the land is distributed fairly evenly and cannot be sold. It is "unalienable". Citizens have both "responsibilities" and "rights", not just "rights". It's an "agrarian" economy. Citizens are not permitted to be "manufacturers". It allows foreigners to do all manufacturing. Its' kinda like the Amish.
But I realize that given the population of the world and Maltheusian Laws, my "preferred" system of government is emminently impracticle. And so, laissez-faire capitalism is my "second" choice. Adam Smith...but without mercantilism. I'm an economic isolationist. Laissez-faire - internally.
-FJ
Mr. Ducky said...
Neptune,
The idea of "born again" is in error. You are not "born again" and a single confession of sin does not absolve you forever.
John 3:3 (King James Version)(KJV)
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Douay-Rheims Bible John 3:
3 Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith to him: How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born again? 5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
"That doctrine is in error."
I eagerly await your sources to support your premise. Remember, since Big Bubba is one of those dreaded Baptists of the Calvinism persuasion he is a sola scriptura kind of guy.
Farmer John believes that those who distinguish between faith and works are missing the point. Faith leads to works. If the works don't follow, the faith wasn't there. And the "works" are not grandiose programs that save the world. They are the little acts of common decency and kindness which people perform every day.
-FJ
Big Bubba's favorite gambit with the liberal pick Big Bubba's pockets and save the world with our social engineering projects is to ask one simple question. What are you personally doing with your time and money to help others less fortunate? The liberal pickpockets typically are doing nothing other than advocating spending your money. Disgusting hypocrisy if you ask Big Bubba.
Duck, you are getting your terms mixed up again. Infallability is a term generally associated with the Catholic Church and the Pope.
Our thing is the inerrent Word of God, The Bible. If the Bible were in error then that would seem to mean that God is in error. It is hard for me to imagine that the Creator of the Universe could be in error about anything. Even listening to you it is still difficult for me to believe God could be in error. Just because we fail to understand God that does not mean that He is in error.
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